aint i a clever bastard?
i worded that there thread title so's i get you to read this and help my poor forgetful, used to remember, brain out and show me some documentation using jw's vs. christendom teachings on this question.
here's the question.. how do you prove to a jehovah's witness that the "great crowd" spoken of in the book of revelations is a group who's eternal hope is a "heavenly one" rather than a "seperate" group of jesus followers with a seperate eternal residential destiny?.
Let them show scriptures for the great crowds beginning in 1935. We have searched Rutherfords writings and can't find any scriptures, only assumptions! It's easy to "prove" something when you take scriptures out of context. Context, context, context!
Little Bo Peep
i want to get a solid opinion on this chapter from everyone.
2nd corinithians 3 is a major set back for those who believe in keeping the 10 commandments.
possibly.
Basically it is the old covenant verses the new. The old is stripped away, leaving the new remaining. The new gives hope as well as freedom from the bondage and weight of the old law. Rom 7:6 says, " But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code." Hebrews chapters 8-10 also contrast these two codes.
As a side note, in the NWT, 2 Cor 3:17,18, the use of the name "Jehovah" is NOT a quote from the OT, as I always assumed! It has been added, leaving us to wonder if in fact it is really speaking about Jesus. There are numerous scriptures I have found with these incorrect additions.
here are the scanned copies i promised i would post.
thanks to my wonderful husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz!
these copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization.
Even though everyone seems to be sick of 607 info, I think it's worth keeping to the fore for "lurkers" who havn't a clue that there is a mojor problem here. 607 is just one of many problems the Wt has.
Little Bo Peep
this is something that has always puzzled me.
genesis 10 v 5 - "...the population was spread about in their lands according to its tongues".
genesis 11 v 1 - "...now all the earth continued to be of one tongue and one set of words".
I had a question on this when I first began "reading the Bible" several years ago. Did a little checking and still no concrete answers, but here's some of what I found. Gen 10:1 speaks of the history of Noah and his sons. 10:5 says the population spread "according to its tongue". Strongs #3956 says it is language, speech etc. 11:1 uses "language". Strongs #8193 says it means talk, speech, words. 11:1 also says all the "earth". Strongs #776 says earth, land, country, field, etc.
So I wonder if the entire world had the same language, as we think of language today, or was it their area?
Little Bo Peep
at this point in your life, do you believe in god or any parts of the bible as being god's word???.
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Absolutely YES! My faith was destroyed only in the Watchtower. I won't let them take anything else away from me.
Little Bo Peep
watchtower february 1881 p.188.
if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different.
with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another.
More "new light". Think they need to check those lightbulbs!
Vaccinations:
1931-1952 Prohibited (Golden Age 2/4/31 p293)
Since 1952 Permitted (Wt 12/15/52 p764)
Pyramidology:
Prior to 1928 Gods Witness (Thy Kingdom Come 1891 p313
Since 1928 Satans tool (Wt 11/15 28 p344) (Wt 5/15/57 p313 #17)
Revelation names "Apollyon" and "Abaddon":
Satan (Finished Mystery p159)
Jesus (Then is Finished the Mystery of God p232)
Alpha and Omega of Revelation:
Jehovah (Aw 8/22/78 p28)
Jesus (Wt 10/1/78 p15)
Year of Christ's Presence or Parousia:
1874 (Gods Kingdom of a Thousand Years p206 #48)
1914 (Gods Kingdom of a Thousand Years p209-210 #55
Hope these are helpful along with all the others earlier mentioned.
Little Bo Peep
greetings from tennessee.
thank you for your inquiries regarding the barbara anderson vs. watchtower tennessee appellate court hearing, which took place on thursday, april 14, 2005. accompanied by steve and joy imhof, from panama city beach, florida, and our attorney, jerre hood, from winchester, tennessee, we drove to nashville to attend the 1:00 p.m. scheduled appellate hearing.
this hearing was requested last year by defendants in the case, and they are: the numerous corporations of watchtower bible and tract society; watchtower spokespersons, j. r. brown, and david semonian, and certain elders of the manchester, tn congregation of jws.
Hi Barb & Joe...Havn't talked to you lately. Hope things are still looking better. Would love to see you when you make it out West again. Take care, and thanks for all your hard work...there are so many who are and will benefit from your efforts.
Little Bo Peep (and Rockhound)
i recall wt article titled "is it wise to examine your relgion" and encourged it.s use in fs.
funny they don't want rank & file examing them.
The WT also says all relatives will begin persecuting us when we begin studying. That Jesus said you would lose mothers, fathers, brothers, etc. I remember telling studies that and now realize it is the WT that is the cause of the division, because they don't want anyone associating with anyone who isn't a JW.
Little Bo Peep
i ask this because i have just started a book called, sermon on the mount and i believe the author is "fox".
i have also been reading c.s.
lewis, surprised by joy.
Strange, we were just talking about this earlier this evening. Although raised a JW for over 50 years, I never want that kind of control on my life again. I still believe in the Bible, Jehovah (Yahweh) or..., his son Jesus etc. I think there is some good in all religions, at least good people in them, but don't want to become anyone's project. I don't think there are any religions that are anything like the "congregations" of the apostles times. I believe one should try to show Christian qualities in their lives, the "golden rule" so to speak. The "church" that the Bible speaks of are "people", not buildings and organizations. I am thankful to be truly FREE!
Little Bo Peep
i read here so much that sometimes it makes my head hurt with how much bs i have been fed all of my life.
now that i am studying another religion i am so pissed off i can't see straight.
i don't care to get into a heated debate with my family over what i am choosing to do so i come here asking for 5 questions (there can be plenty more) that i can just say to my family that would give them pause as to why i am not going to their church anymore.
I had several questions asked me that, when I tried researching them, was disalusioned by what I found out. (1) The issue of blood fractions. If blood is to be poured out, where does it say in the Bible that it is OK to produce fractions, using blood that is stored? (2) That Jesus is mediator only for the 144,000. Again, where in the Bible does it say that? The WT says he is our mediator only by our association with the "faithful slave". And (3) That salvation comes not only through Jesus Christ, but it is necessary to be part of Jehovahs "ark of salvation". If we need to be associated with JW's for salvation, isn't that saying that Jesus' sacrifice isn't quite enough? Hope these questions help.
Little Bo Peep
